5 Jan 2013

Did I mess up my salvation?

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I am a christian, i gave my life to the Lord when i was young, yet since then i have messed things up. I have been married 3 times, i Have come to the Lord and asked for forgiveness, But does this mean i have to leave the woman i am with, to be right with the Lord? I look at 1 cor 7 and see Paul writing about adultery, I feel broken and Guilty by what i have done, and to feel i could of messed up on my salvation thanks for any help in this matter. Ben

As God is the one who sent his son to become the author of our salvation, do you really think you could mess it up? I won't try to tell you that your past choices may not bring about undesirable repercussions that you may have to deal with for a long time, but those things cannot change the miraculous reality brought about in Christ by which he made you a new creation in Him. All the begging and the guilt and the shame and the feelings that you're broken will only keep you locked within the perception of the fleshly religious lie. If your heart has truly been telling you anything in all of this, I'd have to say that it has been testifying of the real and living connection that remains between you and the one you have been joined to through Christ. If you want to really discover what Paul may have been desiring for those believers in Corinth, you might want to follow the letter to its conclusions in the second letter where he described his joy in knowing that their hearts were true even in the midst of all the stuff he wrote about in the first letter. In the end, he wanted them to understand how the religious abusers among them had been intimidating them to examine everything according to appearance rather than according to Christ and him crucified.

For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf. Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:14-19

If the voice of condemnation you've been listening to cannot recognize the overwhelming reality of the new creation as described by Paul then it has no business trying to tell you what the rest of the letter might mean. Are you forgiven? Listen to this: God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them. God counts nothing against you! His viewpoint is not based upon him turning a blind eye, but rather that his is the only true viewpoint because of the reality brought about in Christ. The good news is so much better than anything perceived by the mind of religious man. Rejoice in this, my friend!
Jim

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Yes, I so agree with you Jim, the religious mind finds it impossible to believe that there is no account of our mistakes,imperfections and sins! God said he would remember your sins no more, that Christ blood was so complete, that the grace we receive is so encompassing that we can never use it up..grace will always be in far greater abundance than what ever sin a believer may commit..yikes ..the religious mind needs to punish..and the punishment has been carried out…all of it..on the body of Jesus. So as you said, God is righteous and sin must be paid for..and it was perfectly and totally on the cross. Believe it and you will be free and sin will lose its power!

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I am blessed by this. Thank you.

 

Love,

Adam

I totally agree. I might even say that, when we found ourselves believing that Jesus was the truth, sin already lost its power even if we’ve been lead to believe it hasn’t - which seems to be what most of the posts on this site are all about :)
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‘I won’t try to tell you that your past choices may not bring about undesirable repercussions that you may have to deal with for a long time, but those things cannot change the miraculous reality brought about in Christ by which he made you a new creation in Him.’ Epic. It is exactly why I try to say when speaking of the impossibility of transgression, not as an opportunity to do unreasonable choices, but rather as the freedom to choose without fear, not for the sake of attaining to life anymore. Because when we say we cannot die through any one choice, and that therefore there are no wrong choices in view of Christ, that doesn’t mean those choices will not lead to suffering. - georgi

Great word, Jim and great comment, Georgi! Georgi, your comment sounds extremely spiritually arrogant to the religious mind or even the natural-fleshly minded, but I have read enough of your comments to know your heart is in righteous slavery to the indwelling Spirit of Christ as you speak your real life. Some 2000 years ago such comments would have one crucified. Thank you, my brothers.

hug  I think the hatred that loves to rage against that in us which undermines the very foundation of its origin is very much alive in the world around and we oftentimes get to observe the insanity of its dark fury. But despite appearances there is only weakness and utter fearfulness in that darkness, because the darkness is the mind that is consumed by the expectation of its own end in the non-being that is fully aware awaits it. This is its condemnation and it is already in effect with the whole world being fully aware and convinced of it.  For God has made all things obvious and has rejected this whole realm of boastful arrogance, so that having put that awareness in them they have the knowledge of his estimation regarding the flesh. And having the witness of these things in themselves they have also come to know the unrightness of their worthless affections, so that they are without any excuse. But because they hated him in his trustworthy evaluations, and seeking now to deny the truthfulness of this awareness, they have chosen to pursue the uselessness of the appearance of rightness and significance, wanting also to convince us to go along with them after the very things of which they themselves are in utter uncertainty. For all of that which appears to be so zealously pursued by them is about to die along with them and the rest of the things of their flesh. And being in disagreement with the life of Christ pouring out from within us they unreasonably reap for themselves more of the same hopelessness.

But in the midst of that slight affliction that we experience because of them the wondrous glory of the aliveness of our beings is already made known to us, even if in conflict with our current appearance. So that in the face of those things which otherwise melt for fear the hearts of those that are dead and hopeless, we are only anxious by excitement in the expectation of the things to which we were made to belong. For even through the fear that once occupied our minds we were caused to understand that we ourselves have once for all died to fear, being now therefore unable to die anymore, so that now by nature we are caused to live in the confidence of the things of God that are unstained by the deadness of finitude.

For me this comment takes slow careful reading to grasp the fullness within, but basically, what springs from within me is the vast Freedom we have in Christ. There is freedom that is yet to be tapped. Reminds me of Paul in Ephesians, I think, when he prayed that he hoped his brothers would know the depth of the riches of Christ. Brother, thank you for raising my horizon. As Jim has shared, this comment/reply is like putting on those binoculars and seeing a little clearer.

We all of us share in the same common depths of the richness of the knowledge of the infinite newness of the life of God. Your mind may not be describing those living motions of him within yourself by the same perceptions by which my mind describes them. Consequently your words, following your perceptions, may appear to differ from mine in the descriptions we give to those perceptions. Nevertheless we always refer to the same life that makes us groan in the knowledge of the inadequacy of perceptions or words to mediate it as they should. For this reason only we are able to understand each other, deep calling unto deep, perceiving by nature beyond the appearances. This we are able to do because we ourselves are no longer in those appearances.

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Georgi, I am encouraged to see more of your insights posted here, and I am glad to hear that others are finding them helpful! :)

Jim

I myself am very glad. It is a great gain to know that others are glad in regard to the sharing of the things in which you yourself are in delight.

Thank you for another telling word of truth. You always have a way of expressing what the Lord gives you in words that minister to the spirit and touch the heart. Words of life and not death (which, alas, is all too often what is “taught” by those who “know the truth of God.”) More than once what you have shared has been exquisitely (yes, that is the proper word) timely - a word in due season. Lots of voices out there - Father has taught me to hear what HE is saying in the words spoken, and surely He does speak through you. Hallelujah. Also, as I have learned to see Him in ALL that happens, such brings much peace.

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