7 Jun 2008

One With Christ = Claiming to be God?

Submitted by theshovel
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From a recent question asked me:

Anyway, even though I know that Jesus is my righteousness (his righteousness) sanctification, justification etc..... I don't understand when people say that we are one with Christ. It seems that my mind just can't piece how I could be one without thinking wouldn't that put me in the position of claiming to be God somehow

Well, I think I've found the problem. Yep, it's that attempt to wrap your mind around it so that it all seems to fit nice and neatly together that will never work. Don't you realize that it's only the natural mind that sees itself in competition with God. And that is the mind to which God said he will not share his glory.

Just consider the competitive spirit of man: always needing to be in first place, always needing to be the best, always striving to get ahead of another - always wanting to be God in one form or another. And then know the truth that with God there is no such spirit. There can be no sharing of glory in a realm where everything is measured to the nth degree in order to determine who is better and who is worse. God is not above man as in being the best, he is above man as being in a realm where striving has no meaning.

Now consider Jesus Christ:

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11 NAS77

Notice, that Jesus did not regard (or consider) equality with God as something to be grasped, or striven for. Do we think that's because he made a determination not to grasp at equality with God, or is it possible that it was simply a foreign concept to him ... that it was not of his mind? And "mind" is the literal meaning.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Philippians 2:5 KJV

For, let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus Philippians 2:5(Young's Literal Translation)

I think many other translators chose to interpret it as "have this attitude" because the idea of controlling one's attitude makes sense. Maybe it's just because the KJV wording seemed a little outdated and that "attitude" seemed more understandable. That's what always made sense to me, just as I think it does to you. But this "mind" is the same mind that Paul told the Corinthians...

we have the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2:16

So then, why would he tell the Philippians to "let it be in you" if it's already in them?

Maybe because to let it be is the opposite of struggling and striving with one another - which is the matter he was addressing with them - and he was calling to them to not put their confidence in the worthlessness of man's competition. It was as if he was saying that the competitive spirit they were getting caught up in was not theirs and they could simply step away from the game.

So, to your question. The reasoning that you might be claiming to be God is a bogus perception of man. It has nothing to do with the reality that Christ came into this world to be the joining of man and God into the realm where there is no such thing as grasping equality with God. You have been made one with God in Christ ... and that is the truth, unless of course God is not satisfied with Christ and with his sacrifice on our behalf. Don't worry about not being able to logically fit it all together so that you are not violating any man-made stipulations. I would rather be concerned if I COULD make it all fit together so as not to offend the logic of man.

Jim :)

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thank you for this explanation … very helpful!  :) this part below has tripped me-up many times: _______________________________________________________________________________ “… Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, …” ________________________________________________________________________________
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Posted: Jun-07-08 at 6:50pm by Leo
Brother Jim. The only way you were able to explain the
brothers concern so well, is that Christ resides in you.
leo


Posted: Jun-07-08 at 6:51pm by Bea
Welcome back!!! You have been sorely missed!!! Hope all is well with you and yours. Loved the "being in Christ Jesus" theme!! When St Paul presented to me that All that mattered was to Be in Christ-- released me to from slavery of Doing for my Righteousness!! "Ye shall know the TRUTH and the Truth will set you free!! WOW!!:} Once the "mind" of Christ enters--- you begin to be transfromed without even being aware of it taking place-- You just accept what an awesome God we have!! Blessings, Bea


Posted: Jun-07-08 at 10:24pm by Dan

Thank God for what He has done for us all and like you said Jim not to try to firgure it out.
Good to see you writing again Jim
Love in Christ Dan


Posted: Jun-08-08 at 7:44am by Alida
Jim, You are a breath of fresh air! Praise God. Alida


Posted: Jun-09-08 at 12:38pm by Joanne
Thank you - you cut to the quick in your answers - the Lord "wording" His word through you.
Had a longer reply, but apparently I didn't get the security code right (although it did seem so to me)...Maybe it will work this time.


Posted: Jun-09-08 at 3:34pm by John
Wow, I copied and pasted, "God is not above man as in being the best, he
is above man as being in a realm where striving has no meaning." He
doesn't have to "try not to try." I have filed this writing under,
"Things I Don't Understand but Still Believe!" :-) thank you my
Brother!


Posted: Jun-09-08 at 4:38pm by Paul

«God is not above man as in being the best, he is above man as being in a realm where striving has no meaning.»

Very interesting. Thanks.

“… it's only the natural mind that sees itself in competition with God. And that is the mind to which God said he will not share his glory.”  theshovel

sadly, that has been and still is the very same self-righteous 'mind' with which Christ has been presented and 'explained' from many pulpits across the globe for so very long!  :(  yet, the Spirit of GOD is not bound or gagged or 'controlled' by that 'mind'.   smiley  HE HIMself is the very Nature of Creating …. miracles are from that very Nature of creation!  the New Creation IS a miracle!smiley  man really waters down the true defining of 'miracle' these days!

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