9 Apr 2013

The How-to of Righteousness and Prayer?

Submitted by theshovel
Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly versionSend to friendSend to friendPDF versionPDF version

Many Bibles include headers in Matthew 6 that say, “How to practice righteousness” or “How to pray.” Is the Sermon on the Mount really our how-to guide to the Christian life? Check it out!

ShovelAudio: Righteousness and Prayer?

(Audio Series: Men of Grace or Men of Law: The Sermon on the Mount)

ShovelAudio Download Link

New Testament: 

Comments

I knew this would be epic even before hearing it. I wasn't disappointed. 

I really liked how you put it in the part where you read about one reconciling with his neighbor lest the fleshly courts condemn him. You manage to put it so clearly into a real, day-to-day perspective. I am so tired of hearing of the imaginary God who doesn't care about our life in this world of foolish people and their systems, but that encourages us to pretend that we don't have the body and that we don't live amongst the flesh of others. I have read a lot of books and listened to many hours of sermons based on this thinking. Religion always ignores the natural reality through imaginary perceptions of fleshly separation. I remember well my mind of reasoning when I was about to enroll into a monastery with the same intentions and how I rationalized in view of the condemnation. I wonder about the recklessness and the insanity of cruelty in the mind of the flesh. Can you imagine how many people, especially the parents of our bodies, have been hurt by the foolish endeavors of the mind of those whom they considered to be their close ones?
 

georgi
Can you imagine how many people, especially the parents of our bodies, have been hurt by the foolish endeavors of the mind of those whom they considered to be their close ones? Can you clarify a bit on the above statement so I don’t assume I know what you meant. Thanks so much. I enjoy your postings!!! Vivi

Hey, Vivian. 

What I meant to say is that on the one hand, there are the parents who become bound in the fleshly mind to the appearance their flesh gave birth to in their children. And on the other hand, there are the ‘children’ who become bound by the fleshly mind to the appearance of their parents. Consequences are that the fleshly mind, causing one to understand that he must either stay or leave a place in order to be free from something,  leads to great strife, divisions, and unreasonable behavior towards the flesh of one’s natural kin. This leads to cycles of otherwise unnecessary turmoil that befalls one’s own flesh because of the intimate connection that one’s body shares with the natural world, including the bodies of one’s parents (or children). The behavior of the body cannot be governed by the fleshly mind which understands circumstances in the hypocrisy of partiality.

We are not the senses and the things they give access to. And we have no obligation to that world of things and the appearances of others. So that our life is untouched and we cannot die; we are unable to live in the expectation of death, because there is no death to die anymore. This is what we are. There are neither parents nor children, old or young, stale or lively, wise or foolish. There are only we that live forever and all the rest has already faded away into the nothingness.

Regarding behavior, I think there really doesn’t seem to be anything better to do for the time being than seeking out that course of action that causes less disturbance to one’s own flesh and that of others (which actually is the same thing). Taking care of your flesh takes care of others’, and taking care of the flesh of others takes care of yours; they are related in unity. So it seems pointless to engage in environments of outward strife and turmoil, seeing that the flesh is about to die either way. So that, strictly speaking, there’s more profit in abstaining from these if at all possible (because sometimes it doesn’t seem like it is).

Warm regards

“Consequences are that the fleshly mind, causing one to understand that he must either stay or leave a place in order to be free from something,  leads to great strife, divisions, and unreasonable behavior towards the flesh of one’s natural kin.”

not meaning to miss your main point, but …. whether it brings the perceived freedom intended or not, sometimes it is very necessary and sometimes it is a very GOOD thing!  :)

“Regarding behavior, I think there really doesn’t seem to be anything better to do for the time being than seeking out that course of action that causes less disturbance to one’s own flesh and that of others (which actually is the same thing).”

thus leaving a bad bondage situation when able is a ‘good thing’.  :)

your first paragraph seems to contradict your last?  so i must be missing something, which i am very good at.  :)  sorry :(   ….. :)

heart

Hi Sherr,

The way I was taking Georgi’s email was something like him saying that though we are judged in the flesh[in an outward way] by family or “our world”, that we do not necessarily have to break free from that bondage in an outward way in order to be TRULY free?

 

It is funny though because I think most of us would recognize this idea in Paul’s writings. Especially in things like “rejoice in the Lord always” or “give thanks in ALL things”. Or even in how he explained a ton to the Corinthians about being a slave according to the flesh but, not in view of God.

 

But it would make a great discussion because of the fact that the natural mind aims to take this simple truth and make into a law or principal that would stifle us into blanket decision making. Take for instance an abusive relationship. Lets say a woman is being beaten day after day by her husband who claims to be in the faith but, shows no real sign. Does she simply “give thanks”? Rejoice? Or possibly does she remove herself out of the situation? If it were up to the earthly religious mind, there would be a policy in force that would say she would need to just take it since we are to “give thanks”.

 

On the other hand, that is not true freedom. For we ought to be both free to stay and free to go. That is, if it is a REAL option to go. For Paul mentioned it as if it were an either or thing. Meaning if you cant go without being killed for it, dont worry about it. You are free in Him.

Maybe Georgi refers to something that he feels is not real option in his life to change, not sure. In fact not even sure if I am even coming close to anything either of you are saying! lol

 

Still makes a great discussion though eh?

 

Love you  both,

 

Adam

Hey, to both of you! I am truly honored that you read what I say and reply with your thoughts. 

‘The way I was taking Georgi’s email was something like him saying that though we are judged in the flesh[in an outward way] by family or “our world”, that we do not necessarily have to break free from that bondage in an outward way in order to be TRULY free?’ 

Yes, this goes to the heart of my point. 

There is a world of a difference even between the natural reality itself and the perceptions that seem only to overlay it in reference.  The perceptions of the fleshly mind overlay the natural reality and it deceptively appears as if they are one and the same. Which is why  the mind of the world, being thus confused, believes it must turn the attention or the body away from this or that, or to stay it somewhere, in order either to be free from the perception that condemns it or to acquire that perception that justifies it. This clearly is bondage. 

Our freedom does away with the perceptions of bondage. It allows us to steer the body, no longer in view of bondage, but free from the fleshly perceptions that used to enforce boundaries on behavior.  So through freedom, we can govern behavior so as to bypass the boundaries erected into the mind of the world and in this way avoid strife. The fleshly mind cannot shift behavior like that, and apart from murderous purposes. For the mind of the flesh evaluates entirely on the basis of perceptions for what ‘proper’ appearance is and reckons transgressions when its expectations fail. 

The point is not that strife is unprofitable to us, because to us even death is purposed to be of immense value. It is unprofitable for them who are always offended about the behavior they measure themselves and others according to. Remember how, so as not to offend them, we engaged into playing the fantasy games of our children, with their particular set of requirements on outward appearance, and were not a bit troubled about it because we knew we were free from them. But then, of course,  there were times that called for doing away with such games and thus offending their minds. 

Warm regards

Thank you all for your thoughts on my question to georgi. All very helpful. Vivi

Georgi, hello to you, too.  :)

Just wanted to acknowledge to you that I have enjoyed very much reading your postings … your heart and mind toward and from Him Who Is your/our Life.  :)   Very encouraging and very thought provoking.  :)   Thank you for all the time you take to translate your thoughts from your native language to English.   There is no barrier to the Spirit in us, hallejuh!  :)  However, I know it can be challenging to communicate from on language to another in this temporal world.  sighhhh … However, I had no idea you were even from another country until recently.  :)  Not that it makes any difference between us in the Spirit at all.  :)  For we are truly One together in Him … no bond nor free, male nor female, circumstance nor situation, language nor ethnicity that separates us from Him nor one another!  :)  

Here’s hoping to hear more from you when you feel so inclined.  :)

heart

hug heart

….don’t let your right hand know what your left hand is doing…. From experience in Mongolia I learned that one is not wise to pull out a wad of bills or your wallet when giving a beggar on the street some money. If you do, the wad or whole wallet just might get quickly ripped off in the blink of an eye…and not necessarily by the beggar. So I was basically prepared, when I went to town to have my give away money in an easy to get to place to hand out and not let anyone know what other money I had on my person and where. I did enjoy giving cause I knew the need was real…and as a matter of fact I began to feel a sense of security knowing that the begging community was going to protect one of their benefactors. Funny how that worked. As far as any reward is concerned I imagine that happens without our knowledge in many unknown ways…that perhaps goes beyond counting.

Add new comment

Random Shovelquote: Seeking to be justified (view all shovelquotes)

"Seeking to be justified in Christ" is a statement regarding the religious perversion of the satisfaction Christ brought about, for he put an end to that endless search. source