1 Aug 2012

Obedience, Part 5

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How long have we allowed those who cannot understand the things of God to tell us how to live? Do we possibly imagine that those who have no true understanding of life can tell us what obedience is? The gospel of Jesus Christ turned the world upside down because it redefined everything, and yet somehow we listen to those who don’t even know him. Why do we do that?

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Boy oh Boy this is the very thing I was calling you about this week Jim. How many times have we heard you mean you don't believe Jesus is God a simple yes or no would do. And then the you mean you don't believe in the trinity a simple yes or no will do. If you cant answer yes or no to the questions I am asking you then you could not even be saved. I can not count all the times someone was asking me questions and it took me the longest time to see that the reason for the asking was not to get my thoughts on the question but to prove I was not even saved or knew God at all.
So I came to the place where I would just say can we be friends or just talk about the weather or hang out. Well no we cant do that unless you can answer the questions no one would want to be seen with a know heretic. Well any way I really enjoyed this one guys and for so many of us I am sure it hit right where so many are at one time or another.
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I remember being the one who used to look for those direct yes or no answers to my questions as I attempted to determine one's spiritual status. It took a while for me to break through to the realization that the fleshly mind was more than eager to prove itself by learning how to provide the right answers to any series of questions. Much is written in the Bible about how a man's words reveal his heart, but we sadly misunderstand the truth of this reality because we fall back upon the processes of the intellectual mind.

As I witnessed how often religious folks could provide a consistent set of answers to Biblically-based questions without any true connection to life, I also came to realize that I had been duped by the facade of the fleshly world. No doubt it was disturbing to discover that my former methods of spiritual examination and discernment gave me no real insight. However, in Christ, nothing is for naught. For in having my eyes opened to the vastness of the lie of man, my confidence in the facade of the world was also destroyed.

It's not that I gained any kind of super power or insight into the meanings of what people were saying, it's more that I came to recognize the questionable spirit behind it so much of it. Whereas, in my former perception, I may have been impressed with the speaker's insight or wisdom, I now often hear only a request for validation, aka. justification. I remember being blown away by the simplicity of the interaction between Jesus and a lawyer (as found in Luke 10:25-29):

And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. ”And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.” But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”Luke 10:25-29

I used to get caught up on the seeming works-based implications in Jesus' statement "Do this and you will live," but it was only the religious mind that had me running down a bogus rabbit trail (for according to the Law, his statement was correct). Now, the only thing that comes through to me in their discussion is the simple fact that the lawyer was able to correctly answer a Biblical question regarding the meaning of the Law based upon how it read to him. But what was behind the Law-man's question? His desire to justify himself.

You know what? It makes no difference what direction the response takes, the natural-minded man will always come up with some rational, arguable diversion ... just as this lawyer did by asking, "And who is my neighbor?" Jesus didn't answer him in view of the correct or Biblical response, he spoke to him in view of the life that will not be contained by the fleshly, religious mind. He answered the lawyer according to the man's attempt to justify himself. When we who are born of God refuse to be intimidated by the voice of the world, we will hear the same simplicity, for those who are of the world speak according to the world. And when we're listening without the intimidation of the fleshly mind, we're also going to hear life coming from some of the most unexpected places.

Boy you said a mouth full Jim and all I can say is amen brother.

yes indeed amen!  big smile   thumbs up   

i only wish i had such clarity far more often … at least to NOT be so distracted away from it so often and for so long a time.   
sighhh ….   frown

thanx for the reminder of Life and a Sound Mind … that Life and Sound Mind discovered to be found in Another.  smiley  the 'Another' Who makes us Other.  big smile    lol    (by 'other' not meaning 'additional to the 'same as usual', but NEW and FRESH in the Another!  and by 'Another' meaning different, distinct, etc.  we are the Other very much related to Another)   well really now i will quit while i am behind.     lol    i hope you get my gist despite me.    blush


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