3 Jul 2004

Is the material world an illusion?

Submitted by theshovel
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Hi Jim. I've got a quick question. In that 'religious group' that I used to belong to, they said that God is the only reality! -(Well that's OK) - So then they went on to say that the material world is just a manifestation of a 'false mind',- (the human or material mind). In other words, the material world was an illusion. God did not create the material world. So taking all this to extreme, they did not use material medicine. - (This has led to TRAGIC deaths, including children). Thankfully I was not very good at following this religion to the letter. - But, if WE are saying that the only reality is Christ, (which we are!)- How should I 'view' the material world. I mean I don't just stop eating and drinking because I claim Christ as my only reality do I! So I don't know why I should feel bad about taking a headache pill! If I'm sick, why would it be denying the power of God if I saw a doctor? There's no shame in getting sick and having to see the doctor is there? Can you see why I'm sometimes slow at grasping 'reality'! People have different points of view on the 'reality of Christ') Love R

Hello dear R! :)

The material world is not an illusion, it is simply the elemental creation. And yes, God did create it, and his son was manifested in this material world. The illusion is found in the reasoning of the natural mind, and though there may be many extreme variations, they all stem from the same under-riding insanity. Christ is the only true reality because in him we are made complete, and life works in and through us because of his spirit, despite the fact that the body is constantly decaying. The fact that Christ is the only true reality does not negate the existence of the material it instead reveals the emptiness of the material without the life of God.

I'm just not much on philosophy and vain speculation for it produces all kinds of insanity. We are here in this world and we can either live our true life while recognizing the emptiness we are confronted with or we can try to reason ourselves out of our temporary placement. Reasoning is futile, but knowing that Christ is our life while we are here is life.

You ask about the practice of avoiding medical aid based upon the illusion of the material and I agree with your "extreme" assessment, as it is in fact very inconsistent to make any preparations at all for the material, if it is only an illusion. If it is "not of faith" to take any medication, then why not simply starve the illusion out of us and eat faith-food? :) Of course, from a natural-health viewpoint it is sometimes beneficial to avoid much of the medical "aid" that has been offered down through the centuries (even much of today's medicine).

There are OT scriptures where the prophets denounced someone here or there for putting one's trust in the doctors instead of in the Lord, but of course we have to make a formula out of everything instead of recognizing the truth of a particular people in a particular situation. No doubt the same truth applies to ourselves, but in Christ we can see that its reality is far beyond adopting some kind of a faith principle whereby we avoid any physical treatment, for we are given the mind to know that the mind without Christ is always seeking something other than the only life that truly sustains ... whether the body improves for a while or merely continues on its slow decay.

If you want to see a doctor or take a headache medication you are free to do so, for you may find some temporary relief. Just remember, the doctor or the medication can only do so much ... and may even do damage. Just don't assume that the medical field really understands anything beyond its still limited wisdom. As far as denying the power of God, I think it is just as easy to do so in either option, as the religious demand is built upon its own elemental wisdom. :)

Christ is your life and his life is freedom ... listen to what you really hear. And don't be afraid if what you hear doesn't fit into a formula you must follow to the letter ... instead be glad it doesn't. :)

Love, Jim

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Excellent my friend! Adam

GOD IS NOT A HETHE HIGHER POWER THAT RUNS THE UNIVERSE IS BEYOND GENDER, BEYOND FORM, TIME, SPACE,…ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE..AND HAS BEEN IN EXISTANCE LONG BEFORE THERE WEREHE’S“…REFERING TO GOD, THE HIGHER POWER, ETC. ASHEIS SIMPLY MAN’S INFLATED AND UNJUSTIFIED EGOTHEHE’SOF THIS PLANET ARE THE ONES (MOSTLY) WHO HAVE BEEN, AND STILL ARE, DESTROYING IT, CERTAINLY NOTGODLYBY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION
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I may actually agree with many of your points, but as this barely relates to the question at hand, it seems you were merely looking for a place to throw an anonymous philosophical temper tantrum. I'm wondering what's going on within you to stir this inappropriate response? Maybe you could write back with something a little more communicative.

Jim

Jim, I really appreciated how you show the love of God in you in the response posted here. For you do not seek to judge but, only to understand the person behind the words here. Cool. Adam

​I once again want to say thank you.heart

have  we  somehow exchanged faith for a “bravery” principal defined by concentration, good feelings and moral works? in this case it sounds as if the fleshly mind is looking for an outward bravery principal that leads to arrogance and confidence in ones own flesh to not use doctors.. living by faith is not just conjuring up maniacal amounts of bravery feelings in god and then searching  for performance laws written in the old testament to show how well our feelings can last in them.

Living by faith is actually much more than what we can even see with our eyes or hear with our ears. It always bothered me when I knew darn well that Abraham  had seemingly had a lapse in faith when he slept with a bond servant to somehow make gods will work. I used to think how could HE be called  the father of faith.

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