shovelhead, are we still chastened by the Lord? i was wondering since we are now perfect before Him what would be the purpose? i know it ain't for sin since it is no longer an issue. it looks like one of the meanings of chastening is to instruct or teach. i can certainly see Him teaching me by the opening of my eyes but is he physically allowing things to happen in my/His life? really appreciate what you are doing and for your timely responses to my questions. rod
Yes, I think the mentioned "chastening" in the Bible refers to the fatherly aspect of God growing us up in Christ. Though I know that He is working all things together for our good, I also think it is futile to assume for a moment that we can look at what happens in our lives and figure out what He is doing.
I used to do that. But other than realizing that certain events in my life turned out strangely beneficial, I simply cannot speculate any more than that without forcing some kind of a formula. :) I think God works through anything and everything without having to manipulate little tragedies in our lives because He is not hindered by circumstances, though I fully believe He can and does perform whatever He desires.
For me, this means I don't have to wonder if the flat tire on my car, the illnesses I suffer, or the financial problems I face mean that He is somehow displeased with me OR that HE must be doing something in my life!! This is pure superstition.
I remember the "testimonies" about how certain tragedies or sets of events caused people to "trust Christ as their savior" and/or "dedicate their life to the Lord" because they believed God was getting their attention through it ... and we cheered and praised God. It's sad now to look back and realize the devastation brought about through that superstitious perception of God and his son!!
I can know, good or bad, that He loves me and is not thwarted by all that crap. He didn't bring us into a life that needs to be made better, but into a life that is connecting to everything I am and everything I do!